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美国总统候选人布什与克里第一场电视辩论 dvnews_pageTheFirstBush-KerryPresidentialDebate30Septemberxx,UniversityofMiami,CoralGables,FL美国东部时间9月30日晚9时（北京时间10月1日上午9时），争取连任的美国总统布什和民主党总统候选人克里在佛罗里达州的迈阿密大学展开首场辩论，主题是外交政策和国土安全。PRESIDENTIALCANDIDATESDEBATE,OOREDBYTHEMICCOSUKEETRIBEOFINDIAOFFLORIDA,UNIVERSITYOFMIAMI,CORALGABLES,FLORIDAEAKERS:GEORGEW.BUSH,PRESIDENTOFTHEUNITEDSTATESU.S.SENATORJOHNF.KERRY(MA),DEMOCRATICPRESIDENTIALNOMINEEJIMLEHRER,ANCHORANDEXECUTIVEEDITOR,STHENEWSHOURLEHRER:GoodeveningfromtheUniversityofMiamiConvocationCenterinCoralGables,Florida.ImJimLehrerofTheNewsHouron.AndIweleyoutothefirstofthexxpresidentialdebatesbetweenPresidentGeorgeW.Bush,theRepublicannominee,andSenatorJohnKerry,theDemocratiominee.ThesedebatesareooredbytheCommiiononPresidentialDebates.Tonightswilllast90minutes,followingdetailedrulesofengagementworkedoutbyrepresentativesofthecandidates.Ihaveagreedtoenforcetheirrulesonthem.Theumbrellatopicisforeignpolicyandhomelandsecurity,buttheecificsubjectswerechosenbyme,thequestiowereposedbyme,thecandidateshavenotbeentoldwhattheyare,norhasanyoneelse.Foreachquestiontherecanonlybeatwo-minutereoe,a90-secondrebuttaland,atmydiscretion,adiscuionexteionofoneminute.Agreenlightwilleonwhen30secondsremaininanygivenawer,yellowat15,redatfiveseconds,andthenflashingredmeatimesup.Thereisalsoabackupbuzzersystemifneeded.Candidatesmaynotdirectaquestiontoeachother.Therewillbetwo-minuteclosingstatements,butnoopeningstatements.Thereisanaudiencehereinthehall,buttheywillremainaolutelysilentforthenext90minutes,exceptfornow,whentheyjoinmeinwelingPresidentBushandSenatorKerry.(ALAUSE)LEHRER:Goodevening,Mr.President,SenatorKerry.Asdeterminedbyacointo,thefirstquestiongoestoyou,SenatorKerry.Youhavetwominutes.DoyoubelieveyoucoulddoabetterjobthanPresidentBushinpreventinganother9/11-typeterroristattackontheUnitedStates?KERRY:Yes,Ido.ButbeforeIawerfurther,letmethankyouformoderating(主持/会议讨论,节目等).IwanttothanktheUniversityofMiamiforhostingus.AndIknowthepresidentwilljoinmeinwelingallofFloridatothisdebate.Youvebeenthroughtheroughestweeksanybodycouldimagine.Ourheartsgoouttoyou.Andweadmireyourpluckandperseverance.IcanmakeAmericansaferthanPresidentBushhasmadeus.AndIbelievePresidentBushandIbothloveourcountryequally.ButwejusthaveadifferentsetofconvictioabouthowyoumakeAmericasafe.IbelieveAmericaissafestandstrongestwhenweareleadingtheworldandweareleadingstrongalliances.Illnevergiveavetotoanycountryoveroursecurity.ButIalsoknowhowtoleadthosealliances.Thispresidenthaslefttheminshattersacrotheglobe,andwerenow90percentofthecasualtiesinIraqand90percentofthecosts.Ithinkthatswrong,andIthinkwecandobetter.Ihaveabetterplanforhomelandsecurity.Ihaveabetterplantobeabletofightthewaronterrorbystrengtheningourmilitary,strengtheningourintelligence,bygoingafterthefinancingmoreauthoritatively,bydoingwhatweneedtodotorebuildthealliances,byreachingouttotheMuslimworld,whichthepresidenthasalmostnotdone,andbegiingtoisolatetheradicalIslamicMuslims,nothavethemisolatetheUnitedStatesofAmerica.IknowIcandoabetterjobinIraq.Ihaveaplantohaveasummitwithalloftheallies,somethingthispresidenthasnotyetachieved,notyetbeenabletodotobringpeopletothetable.WecandoabetterjoboftrainingtheIraqiforcestodefendthemselves,andIknowthatwecandoabetterjobofpreparingforelectio.Allofthese,andeeciallyhomelandsecurity,whichwelltalkaboutalittlebitlater.LEHRER:Mr.President,youhavea90-secondrebuttal.BUSH:I,too,thanktheUniversityofMiami,andsayourprayersarewiththegoodpeopleofthisstate,whovesufferedalot.Septemberthe11thchangedhowAmericamustlookattheworld.Andsincethatday,ournationhasbeenonamulti-prongedstrategytokeepourcountrysafer.WepursuedAlQaidawhereverAlQaidatriestohide.Seventy-fivepercentofknownAlQaidaleadershavebeenbroughttojustice.Therestofthemknowwereafterthem.Weveupheldthedoctrihatsaidifyouharboraterrorist,youreequallyasguiltyastheterrorist.AndtheTalibanarenolongerinpower.TenmillionpeoplehaveregisteredtovoteinAfghanistanintheupingpresidentialelection.InIraq,wesawathreat,andwerealizedthatafterSeptemberthe11th,wemusttakethreatsseriously,beforetheyfullymaterialize.SaddamHueinnowsitsinaprisoncell.Americaandtheworldaresaferforit.Wecontinuetopursueourpolicyofdisruptingthosewhoproliferateweapoofmadestruction.Libyahasdisarmed.TheA.Q.Khanworkhasbeenbroughttojustice.And,aswell,werepursuingastrategyoffreedomaroundtheworld,becauseIunderstandfreenatiowillrejectterror.Freenatiowillawerthehopesandairatiooftheirpeople.Freenatiowillhelpusachievethepeaceweallwant.LEHRER:Newquestion,Mr.President,twominutes.DoyoubelievetheelectionofSenatorKerryonNovemberthe2ndwouldincreasethechancesoftheU.S.beinghitbyanother9/11-typeterroristattack?BUSH:No,Idontbelieveitsgoingtohaen.IbelieveImgoingtowin,becausetheAmericanpeopleknowIknowhowtolead.IveshowntheAmericanpeopleIknowhowtolead.Ihave-IunderstandeverybodyinthiscountrydoetagreewiththedecisioIvemade.AndImadesometoughdecisio.ButpeopleknowwhereIstand.PeopleouttherelisteningknowwhatIbelieve.Andthatshowbestitistokeepthepeace.Thisnationofourshasgotasolemndutytodefeatthisideologyofhate.Andthatswhattheyare.Thisisagroupofkillerswhowillnotonlykillhere,butkillchildreninRuia,thatllattackunmercifullyinIraq,hopingtoshakeourwill.Wehaveadutytodefeatthisenemy.Wehaveadutytoprotectourchildrenandgrandchildren.Thebestwaytodefeatthemistoneverwaver,tobestrong,touseeveryaetatourdiosal,istocotantlystayontheoffeiveand,atthesametime,readliberty.AndthatswhatpeopleareseeingnowishaeninginAfghanistan.Tenmillioncitizehaveregisteredtovote.Itsaphenomenalstatistic.Theyregivenachancetobefree,andtheywillshowupatthepolls.Forty-onepercentofthose10millionarewomen.InIraq,nodoubtaboutit,itstough.Itshardwork.Itsincrediblyhard.Youknowwhy?Becauseanenemyrealizesthestakes.TheenemyunderstandsafreeIraqwillbeamajordefeatintheirideologyofhatred.Thatswhytheyrefightingsovociferously.TheyshowedupinAfghanistanwhentheywerethere,becausetheytriedtobeatusandtheydidnt.AndtheyreshowingupinIraqforthesamereason.Theyretryingtodefeatus.Andifweloseourwill,welose.Butifweremainstrongandresolute,wewilldefeatthisenemy.LEHRER:Niysecondreoe,SenatorKerry.KERRY:Ibelieveinbeingstrongandresoluteanddetermined.AndIwillhuntdownandkilltheterrorists,wherevertheyare.Butwealsohavetobesmart,Jim.AndsmartmeanotdivertingyourattentionfromtherealwaronterrorinAfghanistanagaitOsamabinLadenandtakingifofftoIraqwherethe9/11Commiionconfirmstherewasnocoectionto9/11itselfandSaddamHuein,andwherethereasonforgoingtowarwasweapoofmadestruction,nottheremovalofSaddamHuein.Thispresidenthasmade,Iregrettosay,acoloalerrorofjudgment.AndjudgmentiswhatwelookforinthepresidentoftheUnitedStatesofAmerica.Improudthatimportantmilitaryfigureswhoaresuortingmeinthisrace:formerChairmanoftheJointChiefsofStaffJohnShalikashvili;justyesterday,GeneralEisenhowersson,GeneralJohnEisenhower,endorsedme;GeneralAdmiralWilliamCrowGeneralTonyMcBeak,whorantheAirForcewarsoeffectivelyforhisfather-allbelieveIwouldmakeastrongermanderinchief.AndtheybelieveitbecausetheyknowIwouldnottakemyeyeoffofthegoal:OsamabinLaden.Unfortunately,heescapedinthemountaiofToraBora.Wehadhimsurrounded.ButwedidntuseAmericanforces,thebesttrainedintheworld,togokillhim.ThepresidentreliedonAfghanwarlordsandheoutsourcedthatjobtoo.Thatswrong.LEHRER:Newquestion,twominutes,SenatorKerry.Coloalmisjudgments.Whatcoloalmisjudgments,inyouropinion,hasPresidentBushmadeintheseareas?KERRY:Well,wheredoyouwantmetobegin?Firstofall,hemadethemisjudgmentofsayingtoAmericathathewasgoingtobuildatruealliance,thathewouldexhausttheremediesoftheUnitedNatioandgothroughtheiectio.Infact,hefirstdidntevenwanttodothat.AnditwatuntilformerSecretaryofStateJimBakerandGeneralScowcroftandotherspushedpubliclyandsaidyouvegottogototheU.N.,thatthepresidentfinallychangedhismind-hiscampaignhasawordforthat-andwenttotheUnitedNatio.Now,oncethere,wecouldhavecontinuedthoseiectio.WehadSaddamHueintraed.HealsopromisedAmericathathewouldgotowarasalastresort.Thosewordsmeansomethingtome,assomebodywhohasbeeninbat.Lastresort.Youvegottobeabletolookintheeyesoffamiliesandsaytothoseparents,Itriedtodoeverythinginmypowertopreventtheloofyoursonanddaughter.IdontbelievetheUnitedStatesdidthat.Andwepushedouralliesaside.Andso,today,weare90percentofthecasualtiesand90percentofthecost:$200billion-$200billionthatcouldhavebeenusedforhealthcare,forschools,forcotruction,forprescriptiondrugsforseniors,anditsinIraq.AndIraqisnoteventhecenterofthefocusofthewaronterror.ThecenterisAfghanistan,where,incidentally,thereweremoreAmericakilledlastyearthantheyearbefore;wheretheopiumproductionis75percentoftheworldsopiumproductiowhere40to60percentoftheeconomyofAfghanistanisbasedonopium;wheretheelectiohavebeenpostponedthreetimes.Thepresidentmovedthetroo,sohesgot10timesthenumberoftrooinIraqthanhehasinAfghanistan,whereOsamabinLadenis.DoesthatmeanthatSaddamHueinwas10timesmoreimportantthanOsamabinLaden-than,excuseme,SaddamHueinmoreimportantthanOsamabinLaden?Idontthinkso.LEHRER:Niy-secondreoe,Mr.President.BUSH:MyoonentlookedatthesameintelligenceIlookedatanddeclaredinxxthatSaddamHueinwasagravethreat.HealsosaidinDecemberofxxthatanyonewhodoubtsthattheworldissaferwithoutSaddamHueindoesnothavethejudgmenttobepresident.Iagreewithhim.TheworldisbetteroffwithoutSaddamHuein.Iwashopingdiplomacywouldwork.Iunderstandtheseriouscoequencesofmittingourtroointoharmsway.Itsthehardestdecisionapresidentmakes.SoIwenttotheUnitedNatio.IdidntneedanybodytotellmetogototheUnitedNatio.Idecidedtogotheremyself.AndIwenttherehopingthat,onceandforall,thefreeworldwouldactinconcerttogetSaddamHueintolistentoourdemands.Theypaedtheresolutionthatsaid,Disclose,disarm,orfaceseriouscoequences.Ibelieve,whenaninternationalbodyeaks,itmustmeanwhatitsays.SaddamHueinhadnointentionofdisarming.Whyshouldhe?Hehad16otherresolutioandnothingtookplace.Asamatteroffact,myoonenttalksaboutiectors.Thefactsarethathewassystematicallydeceivingtheiectors.Thatwatgoingtowork.Thatskindofapre-September10thmentality,thehopethatsomehowresolutioandfailediectiowouldmakethisworldamorepeacefulplace.Hewashopingwedturnaway.Buttherewasfortunatelyothersbesidehimselfwhobelievedthatweoughttotakeaction.Wedid.TheworldissaferwithoutSaddamHuein.LEHRER:Newquestion,Mr.President.Twominutes.WhataboutSenatorKerryspoint,theparisonhedrewbetweentheprioritiesofgoingafterOsamabinLadenandgoingafterSaddamHuein?BUSH:Jim,wevegotthecapabilityofdoingboth.Asamatteroffact,thisisaglobaleffort.Werefacingagroupoffolkswhohavesuchhatredintheirheart,theyllstrikeanywhere,withanymea.Andthatswhyitseentialthatwehavestrongalliances,andwedo.ThatswhyitseentialthatwemakesurethatwekeepweapoofmadestructionoutofthehandsofpeoplelikeAlQaida,whichweare.Buttosaythattheresonlyonefocusonthewaronterrordoetreallyunderstandthenatureofthewaronterror.OfcoursewereafterSaddamHuein-ImeanbinLaden.Hesisolated.Seventy-fivepercentofhispeoplehavebeenbroughttojustice.Thekiller-themastermindoftheSeptember11thattacks,KhalidSheikMohammed,isinprison.Weremakingprogre.Butthefrontonthiswarismorethanjustoneplace.ThePhiliines-wevegothelp-werehelpingthemtheretobring-tobringAlQaidaaffiliatestojusticethere.And,ofcourse,Iraqisacentralpartinthewaronterror.ThatswhyZarqawiandhispeoplearetryingtofightus.Theirhopeisthatwegrowwearyandweleave.ThebiggestdisasterthatcouldhaenisthatwenotsueedinIraq.Wewillsueed.Wevegotaplantodoso.AndthemainreasonwellsueedisbecausetheIraqiswanttobefree.IhadthehonorofvisitingwithPrimeMinisterAllawi.Hesastrong,courageousleader.HebelievesinthefreedomoftheIraqipeople.HedoetwantU.S.leadership,however,tosendmixedsignals,tonotstandwiththeIraqipeople.Hebelieves,likeIbelieve,thattheIraqisarereadytofightfortheirownfreedom.Theyjustneedthehelptobetrained.TherewillbeelectioinJanuary.Wereendingrecotructionmoney.Andourallianceisstrong.Thatstheplanforvictory.AndwhenIraqiffree,Americawillbemoresecure.LEHRER:SenatorKerry,90seconds.KERRY:ThepresidentjusttalkedaboutIraqasacenterofthewaronterror.Iraqwasnotevenclosetothecenterofthewaronterrorbeforethepresidentinvadedit.ThepresidentmadethejudgmenttodivertforcesfromunderGeneralTommyFranksfromAfghanistanbeforetheCongreevenarovedittobegintopreparetogotowarinIraq.AndherushedthewarinIraqwithoutaplantowinthepeace.Now,thatisnotthejudgmentthatapresidentoftheUnitedStatesoughttomake.YoudonttakeAmericatowarunlehavetheplantowinthepeace.Youdontsendtrootowarwithoutthebodyarmorthattheyneed.IvemetkidsinOhio,parentsinWiscoinplaces,Iowa,wheretheyregoingoutontheIntertogetthestate-of-the-artbodygeartosendtotheirkids.Someofthemgotthemforabirthdaypresent.Ithinkthatswrong.Humvees-10,000outof12,000Humveesthatareovertherearentarmored.Andyougovisitsomeofthosekidsinthehoitalstodaywhoweremaimedbecausetheydonthavethearmament.Thispresidentjust-Idontknowifheseeswhatsreallyhaenedonthere.Butitsgettingworsebytheday.MoresoldierskilledinJuhanbefore.MoreinJulythanJune.MoreinAugustthanJuly.MoreinSeptemberthaninAugust.Andnowweseebeheadings.Andwegotweapoofmadestructioncroingthebordereverysingleday,andtheyreblowingpeopleup.Andwedonthaveenoughtroothere.BUSH:CanIreondtothat?LEHRER:Letsdooneoftheseone-minuteexteio.Youhave30seconds.BUSH:Thankyou,sir.Firstofall,whatmyoonentwantsyoutoforgetisthathevotedtoauthorizetheuseofforceandnowsaysitsthewrongwaratthewrongtimeatthewrongplace.IdontseehowyoucanleadthiscountrytosueedinIraqifyousaywrongwar,wrongtime,wrongplace.Whatmeagedoesthatsendourtroo?Whatmeagedoesthatsendtoourallies?WhatmeagedoesthatsendtheIraqis?No,thewaytowinthisistobesteadfastandresolvedandtofollowthroughontheplanthatIvejustoutlined.LEHRER:Thirtyseconds,Senator.KERRY:Yes,wehavetobesteadfastandresolved,andIam.AndIwillsueedforthosetroo,nowthatwerethere.Wehavetosueed.WecantleaveafailedIraq.ButthatdoetmeanitwatamistakeofjudgmenttogothereandtakethefocusoffofOsamabinLaden.Itwas.Now,wecansueed.ButIdontbelievethispresidentcan.IthinkweneedapresidentwhohasthecredibilitytobringthealliesbacktothetableandtodowhatsnecearytomakeitsoAmericaitdoingthisalone.LEHRER:WellebacktoIraqinamoment.ButIwanttoebacktowhereIbegan,onhomelandsecurity.Thisisatwo-minutenewquestion,SenatorKerry.Aspresident,whatwouldyoudo,ecifically,inadditiontoordifferentlytoincreasethehomelandsecurityoftheUnitedStatesthanwhatPresidentBushisdoing?KERRY:Jim,letmetellyouexactlywhatIlldo.Andtherearealonglistofthing.Firstofall,whatkindofmixedmeagedoesitsendwhenyouhave$500milliongoingovertoIraqtoputpoliceofficersinthestreetsofIraq,andthepresidentiscuttingtheCOprograminAmerica?WhatkindofmeagedoesitsendtobesendingmoneytoopenfirehousesinIraq,butwereshuttingfirehouseswhoarethefirst-reondershereinAmerica.Thepresidenthatputonenickel,notonenickelintotheefforttofixsomeofourtuelsandbridgesandmostexposedsubwaysystems.ThatswhytheyhadtoclosedownthesubwayinNewYorkwhentheRepublicanConventionwasthere.Wehadntdoheworkthatoughttobedone.Thepresident-95percentofthecontainersthateintotheports,righthereinFlorida,arenotiected.Civiliagetontoaircraft,andtheirluggageisX-rayed,butthecargoholdisnotX-rayed.DoesthatmakeyoufeelsaferinAmerica?ThispresidentthoughtitwasmoreimportanttogivethewealthiestpeopleinAmericaataxcutratherthaninvestinhomelandsecurity.Thosearentmyvalues.IbelieveinprotectingAmericafirst.AndlongbeforePresidentBushandIgetataxcut-andthatswhogetsit-longbeforewedo,ImgoingtoinvestinhomelandsecurityandImgoingtomakesurewerenotcuttingCOprogramsinAmericaandwerefullystaffedinourfirehousesandthatweprotectthenuclearandchemicalplants.Thepresidentalsounfortunatelygaveintothechemicalindustry,whichdidntwanttodosomeofthethingsnecearytostrengthenourchemicalplantexposure.Andtheresanenormousundonejobtoprotecttheloosenuclearmaterialsintheworldthatareabletogettoterrorists.Thatsawholeothersubject,butIseewestillhavealittlebitmoretime.Letmejustquicklysay,atthecurrentpace,thepresidentwillnotsecuretheloosematerialintheSovietUnion-formerSovietUnionfor13years.Imgoingtodoitinfouryears.Andweregoingtokeepitoutofthehandsofterrorists.LEHRER:Niy-secondreoe,Mr.President.BUSH:Idontthinkwewanttogettohowhesgoingtopayforallthesepromises.Itslikeahugetaxgap.Anyway,thatsforanotherdebate.Myadministrationhastripledtheamountofmoneywereendingonhomelandsecurityto$30billionayear.MyadministrationworkedwiththeCongretocreatetheDepartmentofHomelandSecuritysowecouldbettercoordinateourbordersandports.Wevegot1,000extraborderpatrolonthesouthernborder;want1,000onthenorthernborder.Weremodernizingourborders.Weent$3.1billionforfireandpolice,$3.1billion.Weredoingourdutytoprovidethefunding.Butthebestwaytoprotectthishomelandistostayontheoffee.Youknow,wehavetoberight100percentofthetime.Andtheenemyonlyhastoberightoncetohurtus.Theresalotofgoodpeopleworkinghard.Andbytheway,wevealsochangedthecultureoftheFBItohavecounterterrorismasitsnumberonepriority.Weremunicatingbetter.Weregoingtoreformourintelligenceservicestomakesurethatwegetthebestintelligencepoible.ThePatriotActisvital-isvitalthattheCongrerenewthePatriotActwhichenablesourlawenforcementtodisruptterrorcells.Butagain,Irepeattomyfellowcitize,thebestwaytoprotectionistostayontheoffee.LEHRER:Yes,letsdoalittle-yes,30seconds.KERRY:ThepresidentjustsaidtheFBIhadchangeditsculture.WejustreadonthefrontpagesofAmericaspapersthatthereareover100,000hoursoftapes,unlistenedto.Ononeofthosetapesmaybetheenemybeingrightthenexttime.Andthetestisnotwhetheryoureendingmoremoney.Thetestis,areyoudoingeverythingpoibletomakeAmericasafe?Wedidntneedthattaxcut.Americaneededtobesafe.BUSH:OfcourseweredoingeverythingwecantoprotectAmerica.IwakeupeverydaythinkingabouthowbesttoprotectAmerica.Thatsmyjob.IworkwithDirectorMuelleroftheFBI;esinmyofficewhenIminWashingtoneverymorning,talkingabouthowtoprotectus.Theresalotofreallygoodpeopleworkinghardtodoso.Itshardwork.But,again,IwanttotelltheAmericanpeople,weredoingeverythingwecanathome,butyoubetterhaveapresidentwhochasestheseterroristsdownandbringthemtojusticebeforetheyhurtusagain.LEHRER:Newquestion,Mr.President.Twominutes.WhatcriteriawouldyouusetodeterminewhentostartbringingU.S.troohomefromIraq?BUSH:LetmefirsttellyouthatthebestwayforIraqtobesafeandsecureisforIraqicitizetobetrainedtodothejob.Andthatswhatweredoing.Wevegot100,000trainednow