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美刊液压气动杂志技术论坛5 w1 ; j+ o& ) g# i4 eH3 F三维网技术论坛/groupee/forums三维|cad|机械|汽车|技术|catia|pro/e|ug|inventor|solidedge|solidworks|caxa. L! P- g# E( 9 A3 L! 1 A国际流体动力学会技术论坛) - r# 1 5 e; k三维网技术论坛/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=1三维|cad|机械|汽车|技术|catia|pro/e|ug|inventor|solidedge|solidworks|caxa$ * O* - S$ Z5 G! y4 B4 y其它6 0 s+ J! h0 ?! Z; 三维网技术论坛http:/forum.vtu.ac.in/viewforum . bef38bb2e875874211d) F+ c/ y5 v! I三维网技术论坛/index.php?act=idx$ I$ Z7 C+ k+ i3 ( X/ _3 Z8 T3 Lk . a9219c29c6c489a2859$ x4 H! O- l8 E3 v A1 D. W( T& b( X3 p; l2 B) 6 h4 再试试Hydraulic Systems design resources1 V9 D3 F+ z1 C8 6 c三维网技术论坛+ k8 J. d7 _ O q三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江_/ : I _2 G9 8 J: n* jbeatwent (Mechanical) 19 Aug 04 14:497 G4 o8 F- J6 r+ s R0 K0 d1 CCan anybody recomend a good fundamentals book for hydraulic systems design.I am new to the field and am looking for a good resource.Please recomend any good web sites you know of as well., s8 l% _, D7 P三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江! m! G/ 3 R5 A1 o三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江Thanks,三维网技术论坛 p, L( a2 U! x% i5 kBeatwent 三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江2 U) f2 n1 r8 u- E6 X0 c: y7 QN, ) Z- m. J* N* I三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江 j% H. F, c9 l; _# S8 Q1 d( a& V! |danhelgerson (Industrial) 21 Aug 04 8:045 Q V% D( O& p8 b0 k% N4 rTake a look at .This is the site of the Fluid Power Society.From there you can view books and articles that may be helpful. 三维|cad|机械|汽车|技术|catia|pro/e|ug|inventor|solidedge|solidworks|caxa2 K7 Cc( |. j- Y) q, k% b三维|cad|机械|汽车|技术|catia|pro/e|ug|inventor|solidedge|solidworks|caxa2 O: 5 O; , i/ w J_三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江) H/ J. W- X. n9 d6 c dl# OKM (Mechanical) 22 Nov 04 14:39/ q w4 _- m1 r2 g y三维网技术论坛Manufacturers produce training resources, both short courses and books.I have had good experience with the Rexroth training in Burlington, Ontario:! D. N+ 2 V- P9 l7 c* U4 cj5 / t/ t/ O& z/ w # H8 ! t& 6 9 p/ f 6 l5 O: h9 T|0 B% Y; o+ c; q! XRexroth also sells a series of books Cdn$84 each on various aspects of hydraulics inclu.system design, proportional valves, and automatic controls.They have pneumatics books as well.Other companies seem to have similar offerings.Search around within these pages: 三维|cad|机械|汽车|技术|catia|pro/e|ug|inventor|solidedge|solidworks|caxa+ n8 K+ R4 E$ B8 G5 7 Z/ G) 7 u% C F* U0 W c t. GVickers/Eaton7 2 s. * p. f# G4 e三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江 /training/index.html三维|cad|机械|汽车|技术|catia|pro/e|ug|inventor|solidedge|solidworks|caxa, c0 F. j5 j& s / S; h三维网技术论坛7 b) F$ g, B0 N7 iParker8 o4 Q3 d! t. W, Y2 tH7 o i3 o三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江 /training/三维网技术论坛1 V, t0 N, _, Y, n) b三维网技术论坛9 f! u( l- m. 3 oFesto# V% U9 6 D3 ?3 Y. y, W* m三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江 /didactic三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江8 b7 & A& _$ _ V0 a b三维网技术论坛! 9 c) n: 2 JThe National Fluid Power Association of the US maintains a clearinghouse of training opportunities:8 W3 Y( G! l% A+ l6 m1 y9 N: n # l/ j; X / R( z3 0 Q+ OWe would all be better off if we tried to be better, instead of trying to be better-off.-Aristide Pierre (Peter) Maurin# 4 T! M$ o: d三维网技术论坛 三维|cad|机械|汽车|技术|catia|pro/e|ug|inventor|solidedge|solidworks|caxa: o9 n5 u6 x/ x8 N+ P- Im$ Z9 & # 1 Z0 D. N/ i/ d_三维网技术论坛# z& e5 e$ U3 W8 t! sheavenly (Aerospace) 10 Jan 05 9:51: U) _$ h0 y4 T# 9 p8 Q三维网技术论坛Hi KM,5 A% b$ ?* W* U, F三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江9 X5 E5 U& 1 h, m& HFirstly,heartly thanx to you for provi.valuable information.三维网技术论坛) r1 j( o2 C$ |8 K( w$ z: Now i need suggestion,i want to jointol PARKER to learn hydraulics system design through ONLINE,三维|cad|机械|汽车|技术|catia|pro/e|ug|inventor|solidedge|solidworks|caxa4 9 K# d; f% zMay i request,which course is good to learn 三维网技术论坛 I) B/ E! C f6 S- please suggest me.三维网技术论坛! Y* O) ?) K; T* x0 q三维|cad|机械|汽车|技术|catia|pro/e|ug|inventor|solidedge|solidworks|caxa z3 V* S/ lb z- 7 sThanx in before k, w% V* F+ x( g* r# w7 ?7 ( 三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江7 $ O+ z- 2 g+ g3 q8 a三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江John S# J- n1 g, w+ n) Y三维网技术论坛Hydraulic circuit design software（1/9）_/ R& D& m0 # b2 Cfrans (Mechanical) 26 May 05 6:03% Z9 b* M! O0 k. w* j, |& _6 ZDoes anybody in the forum have experience with hydraulic circuit design software. I would like to simulate operating conditions in complex circuits and get results such as flow losses, pressures and temperatures. 6 Y0 ?3 & h# g6 N A三维网技术论坛4 a8 m% - a4 E: z8 1 l) f三维网技术论坛& _1 0 + K, Y+ r8 H1 mEng-Tips Forums is Member Supported. Click Here to X- 3 t0 i CCanuckMiner (Mechanical) 26 May 05 8:18三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江7 f, U9 H7 O; x9 BI suggest having a look at Automation Studio.I havent tried it, but Ive come across their literature, and it looks impressive.It might do what you want.8 F5 E2 _7 f& l3 t% s! j% z三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江# B# X! E& I r- k9 d) /0 6 Z h/ ; m / Y8 L w& i三维|cad|机械|汽车|技术|catia|pro/e|ug|inventor|solidedge|solidworks|caxa0 r S. q, N6 l8 F# U三维|cad|机械|汽车|技术|catia|pro/e|ug|inventor|solidedge|solidworks|caxaCheers,. ( C% 2 C/ g* X, s1 C2 Ae5 R; l三维|cad|机械|汽车|技术|catia|pro/e|ug|inventor|solidedge|solidworks|caxaCanuckMiner三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江: W* l3 * / u R+ h; x* Z0 M8 w: E- M三维|cad|机械|汽车|技术|catia|pro/e|ug|inventor|solidedge|solidworks|caxa_ ; g, y1 S9 b5 U c1 B A9 R. L三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江kcj (Mechanical) 26 May 05 9:18- A% J6 h/ G5 m; Vv0 T9 r$ D. R9 M三维网技术论坛I have been looking also.9 A. CP/ P0 |4 三维网技术论坛& v; _/ ?, U6 2 uu D$ nLast time we looked, Automation Studio did great animation, schematics, training and color co.,motions, flows and steady state pressure drops, but NOT dynamic analysis of accel, decel, shock, etc. $ V5 D! a( G8 Thats what I really was looking for, so have not nyet found something. There are several highly analytical dynamic programs, but beyond my level.三维网技术论坛 I% AM% f# w8 o! S3 N0 g o- g% J三维网技术论坛kcj # h- v* O2 Sw7 a3 & W I三维网技术论坛. j, d3 j5 U. Xj; M$ Y _ 三维|cad|机械|汽车|技术|catia|pro/e|ug|inventor|solidedge|solidworks|caxa9 j1 # u( 7 a6 R% cbudt (Industrial) 26 May 05 10:459 0 O! h& 9 W三维网技术论坛Try this site for Easy5 software. If you have deep pockets it is supposed to tell all about everything just like a running circuit.& Z% c, S) h2 O, _9 h. M3 |6 J/ W三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江三维|cad|机械|汽车|技术|catia|pro/e|ug|inventor|solidedge|solidworks|caxa1 S7 t+ F$ G! - a$ / h. U4 U5 X$ /products/products_detail.cfm?PI=414三维|cad|机械|汽车|技术|catia|pro/e|ug|inventor|solidedge|solidworks|caxa9 C1 _ T2 b% a5 G1 f三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江. A8 U8 K% B3 DI have not used it so I cannot say first hand how good it is./ 0 j9 n1 T2 Q# u! 6 f6 R( U! o% j$ D三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江Delta Computer Systems does some modelling of motion control circuits but I dont think it is a for sale program. You can check with Peter Nachtway at this site.三维网技术论坛+ I( + j0 G! w三维|cad|机械|汽车|技术|catia|pro/e|ug|inventor|solidedge|solidworks|caxa j; K* : C0 M) S0 R. f/! L& S4 - Y# j2 x3 M5 h, A m) 4 d& A$ F* v1 Y* g5 H7 N4 m! _; L; lBud Trinkel CFPE# V8 o& W, t# A& w5 W, Q* C7 QHYDRA-PNEU CONSULTING, INC.$ Z3 T, e1 y! A6 K2 j, fluidpower1 三维|cad|机械|汽车|技术|catia|pro/e|ug|inventor|solidedge|solidworks|caxa e4 8 C! Y0 D g! + m; bhttp:/www.fluidpower1.us! 4 R* M6 p- z1 AP+ k# a% a8 T 三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江8 ?! z; H3 J6 Z. a( j3 j6 * Z6 P_ 三维网技术论坛2 m6 r5 C) z6 m# G j( jfrans (Mechanical) 26 May 05 17:52- O7 Q; M% - c+ R L( KW三维|cad|机械|汽车|技术|catia|pro/e|ug|inventor|solidedge|solidworks|caxaI have emailed automation studio twice in the past week requesting prices but not received a reply yet. Any idea on pricing of Easy5?三维|cad|机械|汽车|技术|catia|pro/e|ug|inventor|solidedge|solidworks|caxa( 9 y) v; h% x! O& ?) 3 J g3 _三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江) G1 ) D+ C) z E( k- N_三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江2 X; ga5 c0 e. e+ s! OBbudt (Industrial) 26 May 05 19:423 e0 % M: D$ t, 3 h# # When I first heard about it 10 years ago it seems the price was over $8,000.00. That was the reason for the reference to deep pockets. Even Automation Studio is over $4.000.00 the best I remember. Automation Studio doesnt claim to be true simulation but does have some variables like setting pressure and flow controls.三维网技术论坛 M: C2 Y3 U p; K7 B7 Y) |; C3 w7 H! H1 e4 u三维网技术论坛Here is another place to look that has a whole list of Simulation software.1 I& U2 y/ p9 s% r7 i/ C% w$ W三维|cad|机械|汽车|技术|catia|pro/e|ug|inventor|solidedge|solidworks|caxa/fpn/docs/software.php3三维网技术论坛 v0 O7 z5 f% t! Q0 O7 % Mm! X5 W; |& OBud Trinkel CFPE三维|cad|机械|汽车|技术|catia|pro/e|ug|inventor|solidedge|solidworks|caxa3 L. l/ Q1 c |3 v2 q$ r6 EHYDRA-PNEU CONSULTING, INC.9 _/ |E3 H7 % _& Lfluidpower1 & |/ X _/ f. O& H& HV三维网技术论坛http:/www.fluidpower1.us5 u5 TG/ W/ Ex5 U; IHydraulic circuit design software-cont（2/9）kcj (Mechanical) 31 May 05 10:079 0 F( f* n+ F! I3 . V三维网技术论坛Easy5 was part of Boeing at one time. It was $, but also had optional mechanical, electrical, heat transfer, etc. ec. modules that would do very valuable dynamic siimulations.4 0 v$ |& j( z4 a/ F/ |& i三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江k ! ( t, kZ* D: La, Z 三维网技术论坛: N) k+ O9 v|/ Q& O& V0 gfrans (Mechanical) 1 Jun 05 0:55* T* j4 T* a; q2 d7 a) a/ 三维网技术论坛I have an online demo with Automation Studio coming up. Will keep you all posted. 5 T7 v/ + m3 O5 Q8 d, h& C. S4 y三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江 . : L. F8 s1 P3 Sdanhelgerson (Industrial) 6 Jun 05 11:00三维网技术论坛5 : o0 o# C% q Y+ |; i2 M5 L SI received a quote from Automation Studio about a year ago.The basic professional program was $1,900.The Fluid Power package was $3,440.They would like the customers to also come for training.You probably already have this. / 三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江/ ! E5 g3 l J ?1 a% m2 o pDan Helgerson CFPS, AFPI, AJPP5 E/ + Z8 z X. p* U% E/ H F! |5 c3 _8 S- U$ |. i# z% F1 r2 s% J, ) t+ V9 K N三维|cad|机械|汽车|技术|catia|pro/e|ug|inventor|solidedge|solidworks|caxa 三维|cad|机械|汽车|技术|catia|pro/e|ug|inventor|solidedge|solidworks|caxa3 t0 Z2 E; W2 F# F$ UEdDanzer (Mechanical) 9 Jun 05 15:12& L& V - 6 y, g8 t5 i三维网技术论坛Mathworks has their Matlab and Simulink products that will do simulations similar to Easy5. /products/product_listing/index.html三维网技术论坛$ N3 U% h* Some what spendy though. 6 7 Z, J1 b9 I( Q D: N 8 , N( w4 p# d) F4 | N/ k三维|cad|机械|汽车|技术|catia|pro/e|ug|inventor|solidedge|solidworks|caxaPNachtwey (Electrical) 12 Jun 05 1:02三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江& - lU6 h% V1 z: u. A) / dDelta Computer Systems does some modelling of motion control circuits but I dont think it is a for sale program.三维|cad|机械|汽车|技术|catia|pro/e|ug|inventor|solidedge|solidworks|caxa4 x3 O3 : x5 t/ i7 v/ R. o& F8 三维|cad|机械|汽车|技术|catia|pro/e|ug|inventor|solidedge|solidworks|caxaI do simulations for hydraulic servo systems and system integrators only.What I have is not a product and not for sale.However, we are looking into making a simulator for hydraulic servo systems available on the web.We have found that too many people can not design hydraulic servo systems correctly.It is no wonder.There arent any simple formulas for cylinder sizing.The VCCM and natural frequency methods are incomplete and can lead to incorrect answers.The only good way to do cylinder sizing is to use a simulator.The down side is they cost money or require solving a system of differential equations.三维网技术论坛0 E# s1 Q- S. f: S$ T1 , P4 a3 w0 6 & |1 g三维网技术论坛 , r; * _7 l L( t三维网技术论坛 三维网技术论坛; I. c; ! W4 6 I, U$ J8 Zfrans (Mechanical) 12 Jun 05 18:002 F7 O% N( z# S8 d1 P$ % C! Actually I do not think there are too many people who can design a proper hydraulic circuit at all. I have up to now used so called hydraulic specialists working for the big hydraulics suppliers to do the hydraulics for my designs and boy more often tham not I have problems, ranging from overheating to functionality issues. It is as if these guys do not spend enough time thinking through all the potential issues - they are too keen to off-load components. The support afterwards is appalling. I have since realised that general knowledge is not enough and I need to be my own hydraulics specialist. A lot of what I do does not allow the luxury of fixing easily afterwards, so simulating it up front would be ideal. . i5 + X# $ T4 p8 Q7 U* M0 XV P, Y2 c: mbudt (Industrial) 12 Jun 05 18:38三维网技术论坛 y: a- G8 I# d% e, K. H5 s$ ifrans wrote;三维网技术论坛/ P0 I: pc9 + k& g! o! K: z3 Y! R0 P0 m D8 i三维网技术论坛Actually I do not think there are too many people who can design a proper hydraulic circuit at all. . i& U( H/ j+ l8 |三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江三维网技术论坛5 n1 L2 w- w n( HYou are not alone in your experiences. It is probably a lot more to do with Not knowing what is available, what causes heating, what is the best component that I sell, etc. than Not thinking it through. If you decide to get the knowledge to design your own circuits you will be one of a rare breed in the industrial or mobile world of Fluid Power users.三维网技术论坛+ 3 G K( g8 a1 z! a# X# ?8 K$ P三维网技术论坛Training in Fluid Power circuit design comes from manufacturers schools and is quick time at best. From that point on it is the College of Hard Knocks and OJT. Been there and done that. 三维网技术论坛# 7 R) m7 T- t( f4 o; I | Ar& U( b; i# E, X0 o) * AUntil industry decides they need trained, knowledgeable persons in house that have Fluid Power as their primary responsibility Fluid Power will stay the way it is. Anytime another way to perform the work normally handled by Fluid Power that way will be first choice. Electrical is always waiting in the wings to take over and they have the knowledge to do it. Lately I am seeing more jobs go to electrical power due to their constant upgra.and doing things that were unheard of even 10 years back.( r. F( c) r9 5 ; A三维网技术论坛三维网技术论坛4 |3 t, U2 k5 D; rBud Trinkel CFPE6 i9 C5 D1 p8 % 三维网技术论坛HYDRA-PNEU CONSULTING, INC.# Y/ 0 a2 y5 A; U1 b9 Y三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江fluidpower1 6 m: U9 |# g. C) zhttp:/www.fluidpower1.us三维|cad|机械|汽车|技术|catia|pro/e|ug|inventor|solidedge|solidworks|caxa$ 6 u0 y, F9 Z/ _: h三维,cad,机械,技术,汽车,catia,pro/e,ug,inventor,solidedge,solidworks,caxa,时空,镇江, l/ n xK( wm三维网技术论坛4 K3 r2 ld k; K0 N) I. A! U& H2 5 Ufrans (Mechanical) 12 Jun 05 20:422 ! q3 _( M% I fully agree Bud. I actually try to use electrical whenever I can, but that does also tend to bind you to a few individuals who were involved with the design and programming and essentially the similar level of expertise needed. I used to argue that since I am not doing hydraulics every single day I am better off using someone living off the stuff - thinking they may know what is available and the individual characteristics of say a particular valve. I have done the training courses but as you say they are basic. The other day I a