WELL的意义.doc

请问您能与我们分享一些你们讨论的议题吗?你们是否达成了共识？夏保罗：yeah. We discussed many things. As you know, we have a partnership with SinoOceanland already. And we were talking about how we advance that partnership, both at the project level, implementing the WELL building standard throughout many projects. I have also at the organizational level, whereby our company is very aligned in the vision of whats needed to expand WELL building standard in China. We are absolutely honored to invite Chairman. Li become a member of our board, our advisory board. He accepted it, which is wonderful. His guidance and wisdom are really going to be great asset to us, as we going to go through the right path to spread WELL standard throughout China. Seperately, we have also determined a big pipeline of upcoming projects that will be WELL certified. We will read about how that will be roll out, more details forthcoming, but we will be excited to announce that as well.当然，我们讨论了许多事。如你所知，我们已经与远洋达成了合作关系。我们在讨论如何进一步推动合作关系，在项目层面推动WELL标准的应用。从组织层面看，中国也有推动WELL标准的需求，Delos与之是保持一致的。我们也非常荣幸地邀请了李明主席加入Delos董事会。他接受了邀请，这非常棒。我们在中国寻找推动WELL标准的正确途径时，他的指导和智慧将成为我们无价的财富。另外，我们也讨论了一大批将会应用WELL标准的项目。我们将会研究如何推出这些项目，在未来，我们也会披露更多的细节。 马逸倩：I know there are several companies who want to collaborate with Delos, because health is the new trend. So why do you choose SinoOceanland as your cooperative partner? Whats your expectation of this cooperation?我知道一些公司也想与Delos合作，因为人们越来越崇尚健康。您为什么选择远洋作为合作伙伴？您对与远洋之间的合作有什么期待？夏保罗：well, we really like managers culture, we like the vision. SinoOcean is taking the key interest of WELL building standard for quite some time now, and we see its dedicated commitment to really redefine real estate. Its more than 3 bedrooms, 2 bedrooms or a living room for a home, its more than a hundred desks for a commercial interior environment, it really has to do with how these special outcome are placed at the up to most health for people. We are going to train a lot of Sino staff, technical level, and project level and at the managerial level, design level. The important thing here is WELL standard, particularly the WELL AP expert, we have several hundred people in the world already, take their WELL AP, we have several thousands of people line up to do so. We are expected to see through the design institute of Sino, one of the largest network of WELL APs today in China, which is very exciting. But you know, importantly, the WELL building standard is not exclusive, its meant for all. We are happy and fortunate to have wonderful partner to really drive this forward and demonstrate to the industry how its done, and even use their expertise they have to assist other organizations how to get this done. But this is meant to be a standard for everyone to use.我们喜欢远洋的管理文化和愿景。远洋已经了解WELL健康建筑的益处很久了，我们看到远洋重新定义地产行业的决心。这不仅仅是3个卧室，2个卧室或是一个起居室的家庭，也不仅仅是有一百多张办公桌的商业环境。这事关如何营造最好的环境，为人们带去健康。我们将培训远洋地产的技术、项目乃至管理层、设计专业的员工。我们拥有WELL标准，尤其是WELL认证专家，目前全世界已经有几百人获得WELL认证专家资格，上千人正在准备资格测试。我们期待，也很高兴将与中国最大的WELL 认证机构远洋设计研究院合作。最重要的是，WELL健康建筑并不是一小部分人的特权，它是为了所有人。我们很高兴且幸运有合作伙伴可以切实推进，并向业内介绍WELL标准，也利用专业性去协助其他机构运用WELL标准。这项标准是为了每个人的健康和福祉。 马逸倩：As we know, the concept of WELL standard was officially introduced into Chinese market in March, 2015. So I think its quite new for a lot of Chinese people. Can you introduce what is WELL standard? In what way you think it will improve humans health and wellbeing, why it is so important?2015年3月，WELL标准首次正式进入中国市场，因此WELL理念对于许多中国人来讲还很陌生。可以介绍一下WELL建筑的理念吗？您认为WELL将如何提升居住者的健康？为什么这非常重要？夏保罗：We are all becoming very familiar with green building, and if you look at the last 15 to 20 years, the green building movement, you will see that primarily, that focused on energy consumption, environmental impact, more utilities of a building as well. To complement this, we also need to focus on the sustainability of the people inside buildings. Thats really where WELL building movement emerged. You are getting doctors together with architects, and engineers, to really better understand how the special environment is impacting us. Any indoor environment is having a direct and immediate impact on your cardiovascular health, your respiratory health, your immune health, the type of lighting you are taking in during daytime is going to impact your sleep at night through your circadian optic nerve. So combining medical science with building science, that finally completes that conversation were regard to what a truly sustainable and healthy building is, not only just for the planet, but also for the people inside of it. We are spending over 90% of our time indoors, our homes, our offices, our schools, I believe in a lot of places in the world, indoor air quality is even worse than the outdoor air quality. So you know we really need to pay attention to this. And what better things to focus on than health and wellbeing of occupants. At the end of the day, buildings are for people, and we need to best understand how the built environment is impacting the health of people, and thats what WELL building standard is all about.我们都对绿色建筑非常熟悉，如果回顾过去15到20年的绿色建筑运动，你会看到人们首要关注的是能源消耗，环境影响和建筑设施。我们同样需要完善建筑内人们的可持续性发展。WELL建筑运动由此诞生。医生、建筑师和工程师会更好地理解特别的环境是如何影响我们的。任何室内环境都对人有即时和直接的影响。这包括人的心血管健康、呼吸健康和免疫系统健康。并且人在白天接受的光线将通过昼夜视神经影响晚上的睡眠。因此我们将医药科学和建筑科学结合起来，使其成为一个真正的可持续健康系统。这不仅对地球环境有益处，更对人体健康有益处。包括在家，办公室和学校我们平时在室内的时间超过90%。我认为在世界上的许多地方，室内空气质量甚至比室外空气质量更糟糕。所以我们应该更多地关注建筑中人们的健康和福祉。归根到底建筑是为了人们的健康。因此我们需要最大程度了解建筑环境是如何影响人们健康的，这是WELL健康建筑的意义所在。 马逸倩：In some interviews you received before, you mentioned that the idea of sustainability and wellness just popped into your mind. And you spent 4-5 years to figure it out. Because you know you are not an architect, you are not an engineer, and you are not a doctor. But you have the resources to assemble a team. So you just mentioned that you put a doctor and an architect in the same room, how did you just make it happen?在一些采访中，您提到可持续健康的理念是突然进入进入脑海的。您花费了4-5年的时间才完全弄清楚这个理念，因为您不是建筑师、工程师或医学教授。但是您却有能力和资源整合起一个团队。那么您是如何做到让医学教授和建筑师在一起工作的？夏保罗：Well. As for this, I think when people take a second to think about it, they say, oh thats obvious, you are right, how was that been missed. So it has not been difficult to get the world- class experts to join this movement, its got such an incredible sociable impact of potential, and it also has such an incredible academic potential, when you merge the largest asset class in the world, real estate, a $180 trillion real estate, when you merge that with the fast growing industry in the world, health and wellness, $3 trillion a year spent, putting those two together is something that can be so economically profitable, but at the same time, if we can address preventative medical intentions through the delivery of real estate, something we all use, that has such profound sociable impact. So whether people get excited about this because of social cause or purpose driven movement, or whether people get excited about this because of incredible economic potential, its pretty being blessed, but it becomes pretty easy for us to attract very good quality minds to discover what this could be.关于这点，我想当人们花时间思考一下他们就会说，这太明显了，你是对的，我们怎么会忽视掉这一点呢？所以让世界级专家们加入健康建筑运动并不难。这有极大的社会影响力，也有极大的学术影响力，当把世界上最大的产业价值180万亿美元的房地产，与世界上发展最迅速的产业每年增长3万亿的健康产业结合时，产生的经济利润十分丰厚。与此同时，如果我们能通过每个人都居住的房屋提供医学预防措施，将会产生巨大的社会影响。所以无论人们是因社会因素还是目标驱动，或是因为无与伦比的经济潜力而兴奋，这项事业都是被看好的。所以我们很容易吸引最聪明的人一起探索这一切如何实现。 马逸倩：Actually, I am a little curious of this standard, because you mentioned that WELL certified space can provide, for example, circadian lighting, purified water and air, these are easy to understand. And I also read some materials, it mentioned nutrition. So how can the architectural design change peoples behavior?事实上，我对这个标准有一点好奇，因为你提到WELL验证空间可以提供比如生理昼夜光线、净化水和空气的检测，这些都很好理解。我也阅读了一些相关材料，里面提到了营养，那么建筑设计将如何改变人们的行为呢？夏保罗：Great question. So about half of the standard is architectural and structural in nature, and the other half of the standard is operational in nature, how buildings are maintained and operated. And when you think of the category of nourishment and nutrition, its interesting you can have design elements that actually impact how people eat or how people consume. One interesting, again, inexpensive way to encourage healthier habits is water. Its important to drink water, its important to hydrate. But far too often, we find in the office setting, that the water fountain is stocked in the corner of the office, that you never see. So simple guidelines in the WELL building standard, operationally and architecturally, thats suggesting within, access number within linear fit, to any work station, you must have a visible sight line to water. If people see water, they will drink water. I know if you walk past water, and I look and I remember I should hydrate. So its a very simple design choice but it can have huge impact on how people nourish themselves. I will give you another example, when you think of operational protocols, cafeterias in schools, or cafeterias in offices, the leading cause of, or one of the leading cause of Type II diabetes, or even obesity, It is not necessarily what you eat, its how much you eat at a time. Its portion control, its healthy portions. So now if you look at the size, for instance in US, a dish or a plate, from 1950 to today, its doubled. The size of the plate has doubled. Thats encouraging people put more and more food on their plates. So simple operational protocols and guidelines, as to mandating the size of the dishes that are required to be served in a cafeteria, can have a huge impact on how people, again, nourish themselves, encouraging health portions and living in a better health outcomes. None of these costs a lot of money, its getting the medical content into the design and operational conversation, to really figure out how it influences behavior. Mostly passively, and also how it inspires people to change their habits.您提的问题很好。标准的一半是关于建筑和结构，另一半是关于运营标准，如何去维护和运营建筑。当涉及到营养时，确实有设计元素可以影响到人们饮食，这是个有趣的事实。而且，有一个便宜的方法可以鼓励人们养成饮用水的健康习惯。补充水分非常重要。但是通常在办公室我们会发现，饮水台从来都在你看不到的角落里。所以根据WELL健康建筑的运营和建筑方面的指导，为了保持健康，我们建议在设计中考虑让人们在工作场所必须能够轻易看到饮水台。如果人们看到水，自然会去饮用；如果人们经过水源，会看到并想起自己需要补充水分。所以这是一个简单的设计选择，但却能影响到人们的营养摄入。再举个例子：学校或办公室的自助餐的操作流程，是二型糖尿病甚至肥胖症的导致因素之一。原因并不在于你吃了什么，而是你一次吃了多少。这事关份额控制，我们应当保持健康的份额摄入。比如在美国，从1950年到现在，盘子的尺寸增大了一倍。随着盘子尺寸的增大，这鼓励越来越多的人在盘子里装上更多的食物。所以简单的操作和指导限制自助餐厅盘子的大小，会极大地影响人们摄取的营养，鼓励适量摄取，维持健康生活方式。这些都不花钱，我们只是把医学理念渗透进设计和运营，真正地影响到人类行为。最重要的是，人们会在潜移默化中改变习惯。 马逸倩：So do you get any feedbacks from the people? Do they really change because of the environment?您从人们那里得到了反馈吗？他们确实会因为环境而改变自身吗？夏保罗：I will point to one of my favorite example, CERB global headquarters in downtown Los Angles, which was the first WELL certified offices in the world. And they moved several hundred employees into the WELL certified space, about a year and a half, almost two years ago. And interestingly, they did a wonderful post-occupancy survey. That we made public to the market because the qualitative answers were incredible, with regards to help people felt about their own health and wellbeing in an environment. If they will choose to go back to work in a non-WELL certified office? Which, I think 90 percent or something said no, and its all get interested to look at as you start to get the qualitative data. But what I really loved was when management a senior leadership called me about a month after the all employees start moving in. and he said, the reactions here have been incredible. But there is one thing that I didnt understand, and didnt anticipate. I said, what is that? He said, I didnt realize how addictive health and wellness really is. And I said how do you mean? He said, Paul, I constantly now, I find myself now go to work, in the lobby, riding the elevator to my floor, and I constantly hear side conversations, and my employees are happy of how they are changing their behavior patterns at home, because what they are learning about their WELL certified office. And that extension is very powerful, so when do you think of imply, design and operational guidelines, that people can actually learn from, and taking to their own lives. Think about schools, you start sending kids to WELL certified schools, and they start to intuitively pick up these better practices, and they start to intuitively demand better indoor environment for themselves, thats a really powerful way to change behavior, and to change outcomes. So do you have any scientific report, some data and evidence based report? So the WELL standard building itself is grounded in medical science. This wasnt only just taking 4 to 5 years to put world- class expertise into place to try to identify the various grammars. This is built on 30 years evidence based research. There have being numerous studies, on certain aspects of indoor environment that can drive proactivity, drive better health outcomes. We are actually international WELL institute at publishing the whole series of all that we called WELL ographies, which break down each categorical element out of the standard, and really talks about citations, medical sciences, the studies.我要向你讲讲我喜欢的一个例子：洛杉矶市中心的CERB总部，是全球第一个WELL认证项目。大约一两年前，几百名员工搬进WELL认证空间。有趣的是，他们做了一个调查。我们乐于向公众分享，因为当问到人们在环境中的健康和福祉感受时，回答非常精彩。问题是：他们是否愿意搬回非WELL认证办公室？超过90%人们的答案是不愿意。定性数据更为有趣。在员工搬入后一个月，我接到管理高层领导打来的电话，他说人们的反响非常好。但有一件事我不能理解也没有预料到。我问他，是什么呢？他说，我没有预料到健康也会让人上瘾。我问，你的意思是？他说，保罗，我去工作时，经过大厅，乘坐电梯到达我的楼层，一路不断能听到我的员工在讨论新的办公环境。他们非常高兴能把在WELL健康建筑中学到的行为模式带回家中。因为他们也在逐步了解WELL办公室。这说明项目的延伸是非常有效的。无论是引导、设计、运营指导，人们都能从中获得了许多，并应用到生活中。想想学校吧，把孩子们送到健康标准认证学校，他们会凭直觉选择更好的习惯，并自然而然地要求更好的室内环境，这种改变行为和产出的方式非常有效和积极。您有科学证明，具体数据支持的报告吗？WELL健康建筑本身就是建立在医学基础之上的。这不仅仅是让世界一流的专家花费4-5年来确定各种标准。这是建立在30年研究基础之上的。无数的研究证明，室内环境的特定方面可以促进生产力发展，促进更好的健康结果。我们作为推动WELL健康标准的国际组织，也发布了一系列WELLographies健康理论，在讨论引用、医学科学和研究时打破了标准中的每个分类元素。But what really exciting is continuing to push the envelope of the science. with the opening of the WELL living lab, with the world renowned Mayo Clinic, now what the facility is the facilities meant to simulate various environments, kitchen, bedroom, an infants bedroom, a commercial office environment, it builds on Mayo Clinic campus in United States, where modular construction practices allow us to move lighting, plugging, walls, and we can figuring environments. Now it got all the top sensory technology you can ever dream of, built into the air sensors, light sensors, testing for nba sound, human being, background noise, mobility sensors will have you, and it got all the biometric and biofeedback devices, enabling us to now, basically study hundreds of people over the next several years, as they are occupying these environments. We basically have people to live there, sleep there, work there and eat there, and we are dialing up and dialing down all the interventions of WELL building standard, and getting real time data, on things like respiratory patterns, heart rate variability, information muggers, near term and long term stress indicators, cognitive patterns, all of these are body of evidence, what exactly what happened to our biology, while occupying a well certified space versus not. So the science will continue to emerge.不过最兴奋的还是继续推动科学的应用。比如说，与世界知名的梅奥医疗联手开办的WELL人居实验室，现在该设施正在模拟各种环境：厨房、卧室、婴儿卧室，商业办公环境等。它建立在美国梅奥医疗校园中，模块化的设施允许我们去布置光线、管道、墙壁，可以营造各种环境。现在它有所有你能想到的顶级传感技术，内嵌式空气探测器、光探测，声音探测、探测到人类及背景噪音，可移动探测器随时监测你的情况。实验室里有所有的生物测定和生物反馈设备，使基础研究成为可能。接下来的几年中，上百名志愿者将搬入环境中。我们让人们在那儿居住、睡、工作、吃饭，我们调整WELL建筑标准，并获得实时数据，获得类似呼吸模式、心率变异性，近期和长期压力指数，认知模型等数据，所有的这些都是人体提供的证据，身处WELL认证空间还是非WELL认证空间，不同空间的影响带来不同的生物数据，所以科学将继续以这种方式发挥其作用。 马逸倩：For WELL standard, I read some Chinese academic papers, and also talk with some architects who are working on WELL projects, and they tell me that it maybe a little bit difficult to fully adopt WELL standard in China. Because, for example, the construction cost is way too high, or because of the environment in Beijing, we have smog, you know, people are really worried about the indoor environmental qualities. Can you introduce how you are going to apply WELL standard specifically in Chinese market? here is good news: our human condition is universal. Whether you are in Denver, Colorado of United States, or you are in Beijing, China, our biology is the same, so thats such a great foundation to understand that the WELL building standard can be a universal standard. The standard is designed to be adaptable. We are going through the process in Europe, we are going through the process in Australia, we will be mapping standard against local equivalencies, local ratings, local code, to really identify the most efficient way to maintain the intentions of WELL building standard, but make sure the adaptability exist was regard the localization and the internationalization of the standard. It takes time, this is not meant to be perfect, but to be dynamic. We feel the medical value of the standard, the 4-5 years was most important to get that right.我阅读了一些WELL健康建筑的中国学术文献，也和在WELL项目工作的设计师交谈过，他们认为WELL标准在中国落地会遇到一些困难。比如说，建筑费用太高。或者因为北京的雾霾。人们非常担忧室内环境质量。请您介绍一下如何在中国市场推广WELL项目？好消息是：人的生理条件是一致的。无论你是在美国科罗拉多的丹佛，还是在中国北京，人们的身体条件都是一样的。有了这个基础，就不难理解为什么WELL健康建筑标准能普遍适用了。WELL标准可适应性非常强。我们在欧洲和澳大利亚都有过类似的过程。我们把WELL标准与当地标准、等级和代码比对，找到最有效保留WELL健康建筑标准效果的途径，同时保证标准本地化和国际化的适应性。这耗费时间，并不会面面俱到，但是却十分灵活。我们重视标准中的医疗健康，最开始的4、5年的时间最为重要。To a degree, you can certainly map out all the intentions of WELL building standard. How you may get there may different, depending on region. But the process of submitting AAPs, alternative adherence pathways is what keeps the standard dynamic, and is allowing for the local adaptation, its very intentional, it is exactly as it designed, and again we are now going through the process now, of implement, thats what the exciting part, and you start to see what may work, and what may not work, in different regions. At the end of the day, there are various ways to get through the intentions, and it really formalizes the process of AAP, that is going to allow for the internationalization of the standards. To understand the ou