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杨澜访谈录专访希拉里 中英双语版Dragon TV Interview: Developing a Comprehensive, Integrated Dialogue With China Hillary Rodham ClintonSecretary of StateInterview With Yang Lan of Dragon TVBeijing, ChinaFebruary 22, 2009MS. YANG: But this is a beautiful Embassy.SECRETARY CLINTON: Isnt it? I am so proud and impressed by it. It took a long time to build, but it is very beautiful and very functional. And the architecture is Chinese-inspired, so its really a wonderful addition to our embassy community.MS. YANG: And so you are going back today, right?SECRETARY CLINTON: Yes. I have to go back today.MS. YANG: And just in time to celebrate your daughters 29th birthday.SECRETARY CLINTON: Thats true. She will be 29 on Friday. And I am very much looking forward to seeing her for a birthday dinner.MS. YANG: Okay. So what kind of path do you like to see her take? I know she has been studying health policy and management at Columbia.SECRETARY CLINTON: Thats right. I think she is someone who charts her own path, and I am very impressed and delighted at the choices that she has made. I just, like most mothers, want her to be happy and have a good life. And that is really all I wish for her.MS. YANG: Does she resemble you in the ways that she does things?SECRETARY CLINTON: I think she is a good combination of both her father and me. She has a very wonderful personality, and she is a hard worker, and she is a good friend and a caring person. So I am just very happy to be her mother.MS. YANG: I know you have just had a dialogue with the Chinese women. Some of them you have known for 11 years. Well, to the younger generation of women, like your daughters, what kind of advice would you like to give to those who aspire to succeed and lead, but could be afraid of failure?SECRETARY CLINTON: Well, thats a good way of phrasing the question, because I think that overcoming your fears, whether youre a young woman or a young man, to be willing to take a risk, to try something different, to follow your heart, to pursue your dreams, takes a certain level of courage. And I just try to tell young people who ask me all the time what I think about the best way forward is to be true to themselves, you know, to listen to their own heart, to do what gives them joy in life, and meaning in their public and professional careers. And I think if you do that, you may change, you may take a different path. But if you can keep focused on what you believe is important, I think thats the best way to proceed.MS. YANG: Lets get back to this trip. In your testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, you suggested that U.S. should use smart power to handle international issues. How is that approach, or strategy, reflected in your Asian trip, especially your trip to China?SECRETARY CLINTON: Well, it is our goal in the Obama administration to reach out to the rest of the world using every tool at our disposal. I like to talk about the three Ds of our foreign policy: defense, diplomacy, development.We want to emphasize, particularly, diplomacy and development. And what I have tried to do in the month that I have had this position is to make clear that we will represent and defend the interests and the security and the values of the United States, but we want to listen.We are different countries and different cultures. China and the United States have very different histories. And we need to understand each other better so that we can find more common ground. And I was encouraged by my talks with your leadership, that there are a number of areas we can work on together.We are constructing, and have agreed, in principle, to a strategic and economic dialogue that will not only include the economic crisis, which is very important, that China and America lead on a recovery, globally, but clean energy and climate change, and more educational exchanges, and people-to-people exchanges, more work on health care, medicine, science.I want to deepen and broaden the connections, not only between government officials, as important at that is, but between all kinds of Chinese and Americans.MS. YANG: You know, former Treasury Secretary Paulson used to champion the U.S.-Sino dialogue in the structure of the Strategic Economic Dialogue. Have you convinced President Obama to let the State Department take back the reigns? And, if so, what kind of new framework of dialogue are we talking about?SECRETARY CLINTON: Well, we are going to have a comprehensive, integrated dialogue. It will be co-chaired by myself and the Treasury Secretary, because I think there was an awareness that our prior engagement at the dialogue level, government-to-government, was very heavily dominated by economic concerns, and by traditional Treasury priorities. They are very important but that is not the only high-level dialogue that needs to occur.So, we have always had a lot of interaction at many levels of our governments. But what we want to do is to integrate those, and to have our two Presidents, when they meet at the G-20 summit in April, announce the mechanism that we will be pursuing now.MS. YANG: Have you found the terminology to define the relationship between our two countries? Because under your husbands administration we called it constructive strategic partnership, and then, in the Bush administration we called it stakeholders. Have you found the new words yet?SECRETARY CLINTON: Well, Im not as interested in the words as in the actions. I think that we have evolved dramatically in our relationship over the 30 years that we have had diplomatic relations. China has grown just exponentially in a way that is a real tribute to the people of China.But what we now need to do is demonstrate that the United States and China can work productively together, not only on those issues that we have bilateral concerns over, but to show leadership to the rest of the world.If you just take two major issues confronting the world, I dont think its realistic to expect that we will see global recovery without Chinese and American cooperation and leadership. I know that it is not realistic to expect that we can deal with global climate change without the United States and China working together.So, what we are talking about is very concrete and specific. It is not so much the description, as the reality and the content of what we will do together that were focusing on.MS. YANG: Okay. You quoted Chinese story, (speaks Chinese), which means, We are in the same boat to tackle economic crisis.SECRETARY CLINTON: Yes.MS. YANG: Yet, at the same time, the Buy American rhetoric triggered another round of fear of protectionism. How would the U.S. government reconcile the international responsibility with the demand of domestic constituencies?SECRETARY CLINTON: Well, President Obama was very quick to act, and to make clear that we are not going to engage in protectionism. And, with respect to the provision that was in the stimulus package, it must be compliant with our international agreements.We know that a round of protectionism is not in Americas interests. Its important that we work with countries like China, and others, to establish a framework for renewed economic growth and prosperity.Now, we also have work to do at home. Not only do we have to stimulate our economy, but we have to be working to enhance our manufacturing base, work on our automobile industry. So we have a lot of internal decision-making that is important to our economic future. And I think China does, too. mean, China is stimulating your economy at the central government level. You are looking to deal with problems like migrant workers who no longer have jobs. So, we each have our own internal domestic challenges. But we cannot solve those at the expense of generating global growth again, which will benefit both of our people.MS. YANG: You certainly have your hands full, with all sorts of challenges and problems around the world, from Iraq to Gaza Strip, from nuclear proliferation to climate change. And then, of course, the economic crisis.How would you set an achievable target for your term, as secretary of state?SECRETARY CLINTON: Well, its true, that we have come into office at a time of so many problems. You mentioned a few of the most well known. I dont know that we can pick and choose. Its one of the reasons why I have advocated the appointment of special envoys, because I think we need, as they say, all hands on deck. Everyone has to work hard together to try to untangle some of these problems, to look for solutions where possible.So, I dont have the luxury of saying, I will only work on this. I have to be very conscious of everything going on in the world. But I did choose to come, for my first trip, to Asia, because I want to send a clear message that the United States is both a trans-Pacific, as well as a trans-Atlantic power, and that much of what we see as the potential for positive growth and good relations in the 21st century will come with Asian countries like China.MS. YANG: Thank you very much for your time, although it falls short of my questions. Well, can I squeeze just one more?SECRETARY CLINTON: Sure.MS. YANG: Do you think that China should further invest into American treasury bonds? Because there is a debate here - with unclear future, we should stop buying more.SECRETARY CLINTON: Well, I certainly do think that the Chinese government and the central bank here in China is making a very smart decision by continuing to invest in treasury bonds for two reasons. First, because its a good investment. Its a safe investment. Even despite the economic challenges sweeping over the world, the United States has a well-deserved financial stability reputation.And, secondly, because our economies are so intertwined. The Chinese know that, in order to start exporting again to its biggest market, namely, the United States, the United States has to take some very drastic measures with this stimulus package, which means we have to incur more debt.It would not be in Chinas interest if we were unable to get our economy moving again. So, by continuing to support American treasury instruments, the Chinese are recognizing our interconnection. We are truly going to rise or fall together. We are in the same boat. And, thankfully, we are rowing in the same direction, toward landfall. MS. YANG: Okay. So we have to keep rowing?SECRETARY CLINTON: Yes.MS. YANG: Thank you very much, Secretary Clinton. SECRETARY CLINTON: Thank you.采访结束后，希拉里邀请我们有机会去美国再对她进行采访，那样会有更充裕的时间。我与希拉里同为母亲“切尔西是个有主见的人”切尔西-克林顿现在就读于哥伦比亚大学，主修卫生政策和管理。“你希望她朝什么方向发展？”我问到。希拉里说：“我觉得她是很有主见的人，我对她自己的选择都很支持。就像大多数母亲一样，我只要她高兴就好，希望她生活得好，我只要求这些。”“她综合了我和他父亲的优点”对于一个母亲而言，切尔西给希拉里带来了很强烈的幸福感。希拉里很骄傲的说切尔西“综合了我和她父亲的优点”。“她性格很好，工作努力；她是个很好的朋友，也很有爱心。”在说到切尔西时希拉里滔滔不绝，最后希拉里由衷地说：“我作为母亲觉得很幸运。”职业女性希拉里“要倾听自己的心声，要做自己喜欢做的事”作为一个职业女性，希拉里也取得了令人羡慕的成就。在退出美国总统候选人竞选转而支持奥巴马的时候，作为一个职业女性来讲，她所表现出来的气度和面对挫折的态度足以令人敬佩。在这次访华的过程中，希拉里也和一些中国女性进行了对话。她们中，有些人是十一年前认识的；有些人，像切尔西一样年轻。对于那些有志向追求成功、希望扮演领袖角色的却又担心失败的女性，希拉里建议她们“要倾听自己的心声，要做自己喜欢做的事”。希拉里说：“不管是青年男性还是女性，战胜恐惧、承担风险；不随波逐流、而去追求梦想，是需要相当的勇气的。”对于“什么是最好的人生方向”，希拉里也有自己的见解，她说：“每次有年轻人问我什么是最好的人生方向，我总是说要充分认识和相信自己。做那些充实他们的社会生活和职业生涯的事，那样的话他们可能会经历变化、他们的人生道路可能会有曲折，但是我觉得追求自己觉得重要的事业是最好的生活方式。”国务卿希拉里1、“巧实力”如何在这次中亚之行中体现出来的问：你对参议院外交委员会作证的时候，说到美国应该在国际事务中运用“巧实力”。这个策略在你这次亚洲之行，尤其是对中国的访问中是如何体现的？答：在奥巴马政府中，我们的目标是“运用一切手段加强与世界各国的关系。”在外交政策方面我总是说三个“D”，也就是防卫、外交和发展，我们尤其要重视外交和发展这两项。我上任这一个月以来，一直重申我们要代表和保卫美国的利益、安全和价值观，但是我们乐意倾听。我们两个国家非常不同，中国和美国有着截然不同的历史，我们需要更好地相互了解，以便发现更多的共同点。(这次访华)我和中国领导人的会谈让我很受鼓舞，我们有多个领域是可以展开合作的。我们原则上确定要建立经济方面的战略对话，不仅是在应对经济危机方面进行交流，这当然很重要。而美国和中国都要在推动全球复苏方面扮演领导角色，同时还要谈清洁能源、气候变化，更多的教育交流、人文交流、医疗卫生、科学技术方面的工作。我希望我们的联系更深更广，政府官员之间的联系很重要，但是中美各种人群之间的联系也要发展2、相比于保尔森，在奥巴马政府中国务院在中美对话中的地位问：前美国财政部长保尔森一直积极推动中美对话，就像你说的战略经济对话。你是否说服了奥巴马总统恢复国务院在这项工作上的主导地位？如果是的话，这一对话的框架会是什么样的？答：我们的对话将是全面和整体的，我会和财政部长共同主持这一对话。因为确实有一种情况，就是以前我们政府间的对话明显偏向于经济问题，是由传统的财政问题主导的，这些问题非常重要，但是还有很多其他的议题是需要高层次交流的。我们两国政府的各个层次一直有很多交流，但是我们希望整